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« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2009 4:02 pm »
We went to one paint line (three systems) about 6 years ago.  Like Reed says, systems have become very compatable. The amount of waste (75 students most years) with one line is bad enough, but with our old two lines (six systems) it was unbelievable. And our labs run production projects (off the street) that must pay for the products used.  The state of ND does not fund our production accounts.

At the price of paint, waste is a big issue. The more lines you have, the more problems and waste. Remember, we're dealing with the typical 18-22 year old (50-75 of them a year) in the learning stage.  They come here to learn auto body, but we hope auto body is at least 4th on their priority list.  Right after drinking, partying and sex.

Urethanes, being the main paint systems used in most shops, all spray very similar to each other. We try to teach the individual products generically and don't make students memorize product numbers.  So when they go out into a shop they know the general products and can adapt to the specific line.

We have Global (premium) bc/cc, Omni (economy) bc/cc, and Omni single stage. These seem to cover all our needs well and the jobber service plays a big part of the mix.  Other companies are welcome to come in and demo and explain their product lines. It would be next to impossible to teach all product lines and systems.

As for that specific color, Coach Maroon. I've checked the "color map" to no avail.  It is an EXTREMELY dark maroon. Almost black. Had the PPG color lab try for an Omni SS match (to no avail) and even tried custom mixing myself.  Like I said, I can do it but only over black and I'm not sure I want to go that way with a single stage.

It's not a big deal, just a passing dip in the road.  :)
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« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2009 5:40 pm »
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We went to one paint line (three systems) about 6 years ago.  Like Reed says, systems have become very compatable. The amount of waste (75 students most years) with one line is bad enough, but with our old two lines (six systems) it was unbelievable. And our labs run production projects (off the street) that must pay for the products used.  The state of ND does not fund our production accounts.

At the price of paint, waste is a big issue. The more lines you have, the more problems and waste. Remember, we're dealing with the typical 18-22 year old (50-75 of them a year) in the learning stage.  They come here to learn auto body, but we hope auto body is at least 4th on their priority list.  Right after drinking, partying and sex.

Urethanes, being the main paint systems used in most shops, all spray very similar to each other. We try to teach the individual products generically and don't make students memorize product numbers.  So when they go out into a shop they know the general products and can adapt to the specific line.

We have Global (premium) bc/cc, Omni (economy) bc/cc, and Omni single stage. These seem to cover all our needs well and the jobber service plays a big part of the mix.  Other companies are welcome to come in and demo and explain their product lines. It would be next to impossible to teach all product lines and systems.

As for that specific color, Coach Maroon. I've checked the "color map" to no avail.  It is an EXTREMELY dark maroon. Almost black. Had the PPG color lab try for an Omni SS match (to no avail) and even tried custom mixing myself.  Like I said, I can do it but only over black and I'm not sure I want to go that way with a single stage.

It's not a big deal, just a passing dip in the road.  :)


Thanks for the clarification.  I was concerned about the single brand exposure.  I have been in 30 or 40 auto body tech schools over the years and probably a couple thousand body shops.  Several times I have actually had to retrain experienced painters to use a system because they were extremely "brand" oriented.  My main method was to cover the labels on the reducers, hardners, and paint, and actually label them with a marker with just the words:  PAINT--REDUCER---HARDNER.  Removing the labels and product numbers made the products extremely generic.  Then it was easier to concentrate on mixing ratios, which was usually the main difference in product.  

As far as Coach Maroon color, if you want the fast way to find a urethane match for the color in single stage, go to the best source in the world---HAMB.   I have found that everything I need (except hi capacity magazines and ammo) is on ebay.  Everything I need to know or find out is on the HAMB. I'm pretty sure someone has already done it.  There you have it---"The Secret of Life Revealed".

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« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2009 6:44 pm »
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They come here to learn auto body, but we hope auto body is at least 4th on their priority list.  Right after drinking, partying and sex.


Going to NDSCS, that sounds about right. Oh, shit. Dad reads this, doesn't he?

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« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2009 6:46 pm »
praise the lead!!! amen
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« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2009 7:11 pm »

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« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2009 8:16 pm »
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They come here to learn auto body, but we hope auto body is at least 4th on their priority list.  Right after drinking, partying and sex.


Going to NDSCS, that sounds about right. Oh, shit. Dad reads this, doesn't he?




 :lol: I was hoping readers would catch that.  That's probably the one characteristic that has remained constant in the 31 years I've been doing this. And it's still fun.
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« Reply #66 on: May 09, 2009 8:20 pm »
I woke up 3 weeks ago today and couldn't hardly move.  Back was out as happens a couple times a year.  Not even close to this though. By late that day I could hardly walk or sit. Usually a couple trips to the chiropractor and it's back to normal.  Not this time.  I had back surgery this past Thurs. and home yesterday. Feeling much better, but basically won't be able to do much normal stuff for three months.  At least will be back to normal (hopefully) for school in the fall.

So when I got laid up, the '35 was getting blocked and ready for paint. Two students have been helping with it at school.  So while I was laid up (flat on my back), they got it final sanded and squirted it last week. I just got to see it today.  Looks great.  :D

So it's pretty much on hold for the summer.  Only the body and doors are done.  I'll have to get back to it next fall.  Hopefully I can find some small stuff to putz with on it over the summer.
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« Reply #67 on: May 09, 2009 8:27 pm »
Tom Bakewell told me you were having some back trouble but I didn't think it was that bad....glad to hear you are on the mend. It's pretty cool they finished the paint on the car it looks good.........barn find no more.
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RE: ON HOLD!
« Reply #68 on: May 10, 2009 4:31 am »
Wow that is nice they got her painted for ya.  I hope the back gets better soon.

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« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2009 6:22 am »
fenders who needs fenders?

abd good luck on the recovery
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RE: ON HOLD!
« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2009 2:37 pm »
Very nice. Take care of yourself, hope to see you around soon!

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RE: ON HOLD!
« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2009 11:09 pm »
looks great jake, hope the back heals up.

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« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2009 2:23 pm »
So anything new with this one Jake?
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« Reply #73 on: October 23, 2009 5:01 pm »
Looks like it should be driving next spring...  that's real nice!
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« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2009 9:08 pm »
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So anything new with this one Jake?



The '35 has been moving forward again.  Slowly, but coming along.  The back reherniated at the 9 wk. out point.  I opted for no surgery this time....getting steroid shots to kill the pain and watching what I do, especially the lifting (20lbs. equals one case).  Hopefully time will heal it.

So I've been working as I can on the '35.  This fall we started a "Specialty Auto Body" 3rd year option for auto body students who have completed a regular program. They supply their own "specialty" vehicle as a project in lab and we give some specialized training in four areas - Auto Trim/Upholstery, Sheet metal fabrication, MIG/TIG welding, and Custom Painting.

So two of the students didn't have their own project....."welcome to this '35 Ford"  So it has been a learning project for them with help and instruction from me.  They are learning students so the learning curve is a little slow, but it is progressing.  I've been putting in some outside hours on it to finish up some stuff.

It now has the first cut and buff done, the floor is all patched up, treated and painted, windshield frame is painted, glass in and we're now working on the roof insert.  The fenders are blasted, so now we'll get into mounting that flip fuel filler door and the '40 tail lights. Still looking for the '49 Plym. bumpers.

And yes, Joel, by hook or crook it will be on the road by summer!

I'll try get some pics up next week.
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