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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2006 3:16 pm »
few more of tucks

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2006 3:20 pm »
is imitation still the sincerest form of flattery? i'd like to copy a couple aspects of that car.
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006 2:44 pm »
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is imitation still the sincerest form of flattery? i'd like to copy a couple aspects of that car.


just when you think that you are going to do something original you find out that is already been done before.

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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2006 7:52 pm »
hey racer i know this is a pick up but check ou the channel
http://www.johnsonsgarage.com/tito/index.html
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2006 2:37 am »
Thanks for the link. I dig it. I don't know why, but I prefer the low frame look vs. a z'd front frame, and it's simpler. I like the thought of just inclining the whole frame like tucks hemi powered roadster (i think we talked about that).

To look at it positively however, z'ing would raise the front roll center and shorten the moment arm between that roll center and the CG of the vehicle (mostly influenced by that hunk of beautiful olds iron). the nose high inclined frame wouldn't allow the spring perch to go as high as the "z" without wrecking that parallel frame rail/oil pan rail look we were talking about. Heck we wouldn't even see the oil pan rail if I z'd it, so then I'd want the valve covers and the frame parallel. But i suppose when z'ing i couldn't forget about those exhaust ports aiming downwards. hmmmm. . . style vs. function.
By the way, how do these old cars handle at their respective limit of cornering? are they pushy or loosey goosey or just too scary to bring to that limit? I'm just wondering with this roll moment stuff if i'm worrying too much about something that won't have much of an effect on handling. If I build a low frame without a suicide front spring perch and have a respectively high rear spring perch, it sounds like bad understeer on corner entry switching to no rear traction and oversteer on corner exit to me.    J
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2006 4:07 am »
My A feels like a go kart.
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2006 3:33 pm »
eyeball, if i remember right, you just lowered the frame and z'd the rear? your frame and motor have about 4" of ground clearance?
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2006 4:12 pm »
I have 6" at the back of the car and that is the lowest point. It is z'd at the toe board 3" and 13" in the rear with the spring behind the axle.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2006 5:01 pm »
thanks!
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2006 9:37 pm »
These cars dont handle,  My car is kinda scary actually, but i know my rear suspension geometry is all wrong. It needs a panhard par bad. Your not gonna make these things handle like a racecar,  Worrying about roll center and stuff is cool, but if you want it to sit like you want it to, its gonna be real hard.  These cars were never meant to handle like a slot car.  My car actually feels more stablew at 100mph+ than it does at 50mph..  It smooths out and works nice.  its wierd.

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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2006 9:38 pm »
Oh yea, to answer your question, my car wants to push when cornering hard.

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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2006 10:32 pm »
Mine doesn't push when cornering. It is hard to steer though cuz I set it up with 14-15 deg of caster in the axle but you don't have to steer it going down the road. :)

I will beg to differ about good handling. If it is set up correctly they can hold their own. Last year or the year before a 32 roadster won the egorama with a "hot rod" suspension under it. It won't handle for shit if you set it up stock like Henry did but like Serious said if you set up the geometry correctly and have panhard bars and suspension travel it is impressive how they will handle. ......oh yea didn't that Gasmonkey Garage win some cross country race with an A sedan last year too. I know it has a beam axle but it think it is on air bags.
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2006 2:27 am »
I never said he couldent make it handle,  but it isnt gonna handle like a independant.

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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2006 3:40 am »
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These cars dont handle,  


I must have misunderstood! :) :lol:  :shock:  :?:  :)  :D  :D  :o ...... geeeeezzzzz your serious.
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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2006 3:50 pm »
thanks for the heads up. I've simply never driven one of these jalopies.I saw that minnesota hotrod hardware car had a rear swaybar too, i'll bet that would help a lot. I guess I was planning on building 6-8 degrees caster. I don't think i've ever driving anything with 14 degrees! wow. Would you do that again?

p.s. go to Google videos, search "hot rod" and there is a video in the first 10 results called "old hot rod video". It's 13 minutes long. It's an SCTA type deal. Guy gets beaten in a street race, so goes out and buys a hot rod and runs the salt. lots of cool old racers rolling around.
The problem with having an artistic eye is that you always end up making more work for yourself. -Cleatus on the HAMB