Suedes Car Club
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: JakesBackyard on August 19, 2009 1:43 pm
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Boardman was by yesterday asking questions on ID numbers on Fords..."A"s and later. He said you cannot get the ND ID numbers anymore and register a car as the year it is unless you have the title. In other words if you got a 1929 done today and went down to get a ND ID # and title it will be registered as a 2009!
Supposedly this just happened this year.
Tom, have you done any snooping? It might be time again for NDSRA to get real proactive!
This really sucks!
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As I understand it, if you have a serial # from the year of manufacture they will register it as that year ( don't need a title). They only do the present year when they issue a ND serial number. I had a feeling something like this was going to happen. It's the way other state have been doing it. To many field cars have had titles issued only to be sold out of state. These titles end up coming back when the buyer registers the car in his state, sometimes less than a year after the title was issued. We still have one of the eases states to register a vehicle in, maybe we should let sleeping dogs lie.
If someone has better info please comment.
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I have a problem with a 1930 Ford now turning into a 2009 Homemade. Also not being able to run the year of manufacure license plates, now you will be subject to front and rear plates if you have a 09 homemade.
39-04-10.4. Antique motor vehicles - License and fee - Use.
1. Any motor vehicle which is at least forty years old may be permanently licensed by
the department upon the payment of a registration fee of ten dollars. The
department shall design and issue a distinctive number plate for this purpose. In lieu
of the distinctive number plate, the owner of the motor vehicle may, at the discretion
of the director, display on the motor vehicle a number plate from the year in which
the motor vehicle was manufactured or in the case of military vehicles, military
identification numbers. The number plate from the year of manufacture or military
identification numbers may not be used in lieu of a distinctive number plate when it
would create a duplication of a number in the recordkeeping system of the
department. A number plate from the year of manufacture or military identification
numbers must be legible and must be restored to the satisfaction of the department.
Notwithstanding section 39-04-11, only one number plate needs to be displayed on
a motor vehicle licensed under this subsection. Motor vehicles registered under the
provisions of this section may not be used in the routine functions of a business or
farming operation.
2. Any motor vehicle which is at least forty years old may, if not licensed under
subsection 1, be permanently licensed using a personalized plate issued under
section 39-04-10.3, in which case a one-time fee of one hundred dollars is due.
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so do you havbe to run updated safty then too?
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so do you havbe to run updated safty then too?
39-21-52. Exemption for certain street rod motor vehicles. The provisions of this
chapter or chapter 52-04-01 of the North Dakota Administrative Code relating to bumpers, tires,
and fenders do not apply to street rod motor vehicles. However, a street rod must have all
equipment, in operating condition, which was specifically required by law as a condition for its
sale when it was first manufactured. A street rod is a modernized motor vehicle which was
manufactured before 1949 by a recognized manufacturer and which retains the general
appearance and original body configuration as manufactured or a motor vehicle designed and
manufactured to resemble such a motor vehicle. A street rod may have improved modifications
to the body, chassis, engine, brakes, power train, steering, and suspension systems either by
modifying the original equipment or replacing original parts with fabricated parts or those taken
from other existing vehicles. The director may adopt rules to implement this section
I think this would be ok still, based on "..manufactured to resemble such a motor vehicle."
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ive read that may times
but if you have an 09 title
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"maybe we should let sleeping dogs lie".....That doesn't sound like the Tom from the early 80's when the "Street Rod" laws were being fought for.
I know we're getting old, but it might still be worth a fight. I somewhat understand if you start with a "kit"/body/chassis that was manufacuted recently it might be a pretty gray area. But if you are starting with a 1929 body or frame it should be registered as such.
I can see a way of the gov. being able to dictate some unseen future restrictions on them being registered as a 2009!
Todd...do you have a copy of the new law that made this happen?
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from what ive heard there isnt a new law as such its the dmv changing the rule not a legistive change
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from what ive heard there isnt a new law as such its the dmv changing the rule not a legistive change
That's how I understand also.
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So who runs the DMV? And how do they change a rule at their own whim?
This really irks me.
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So who runs the DMV? And how do they change a rule at their own whim?
This really irks me.
Glenn Jackson 701/328-4792 ( retired Air Force)
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subcontrator?
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I emailed them this a while ago.....we'll see what I get.
To whom it may concern:
I am looking for a copy of NDCC 39-02-03. I am in the process of building a 1929 Ford Coupe. I initially had the form filled out and was issued a ND ID # and listed as 1929. I am still a couple years from actually finishing the vehicle. I needed the ID for insurance purposes. I did not apply for the title at the time I received the ID #. I have now heard that it will be titled as a current year vehicle (2009 or whenever I title it).
From your website I have only been able to find the registration rules and regulations dated March of 2008. NDCC 39-02-03 is referenced under special vehicles codes and dated July 1, 2008.
Any help and a copy of NDCC 39-02-03 would be appreciated.
Thank you,
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ok since i have a little free time i went down to my friendly dmv and said "i have a modle A ford that i got from a farmer. what do i need to do to get a tittle?" she said " a bill of said and an inspection" (see scan) then i asked about the year on the title to which she said "same as what it was inspected as"
then she gave me a form and marked the two i needed
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but i did nt ask is the hiway dept inspcetion the same as the hiway patrol inspection?
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what is refered to as the highway dept inspection is our office number so that would be the HP inspection.
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Ross did you ask about the state assigned vin, because that is where the apparent issue is at. if you have a model a with original numbers the title is not an issue.
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Ross did you ask about the state assigned vin, because that is where the apparent issue is at. if you have a model a with original numbers the title is not an issue.
That's right. That bill of sale needs to state the original VIN. The question is with a state assigned VIN.
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well i may have to go back and ask since my body doesnt have a vin on it
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ok so i went back and was told if there isnt vin on the body to use the one issued from the the hiway dept/patrol
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ok so i went back and was told if there isnt vin on the body to use the one issued from the the hiway dept/patrol
...and then they'll register it as a 1929 (or what ever) or a 2009?
I still haven't heard back back from the DMV....typical gov....
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as year inspected as. so if the inspector puts down 29 its a 29 if he puts 09 its 2009
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I may have to take my stuff down to the DMV office here and see if I can get the title. I have the inspection and NDID tag. Just never sent it in to get title. Thanks Ross.
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dont forget the bill of sale
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One of the 1st things I do before I start on a project is get the title. It would suck to get a car done and not be able to title it for some stupid reason.
Also I THINK the bill of sale has to be notarized. I said I THINK. Does anybody know for sure??
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Yes it does
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Yes it does
I asked at motor vehicle a couple years ago to see this in print. After about 30 minutes of looking and a visit from the director, they could not let me see it in print/writing. They could not find it. They said they would let it go this time because the seller was in state, but any future bills of sale would have to be notarized. I guess they can make the rules as they want.
Like Tom says, I like to have it titled before I build it or sell it. Maybe we could get Bob Bennet to help look into this.
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Hey Reed good to hear from you again. :cheers: I believe Bob has retired. I wonder if he would be willing to pursue this??
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I bet he would. He was pretty interested in the street rod laws in the state. I'm sure he would get involved.
Do you want to give him a call and get him up to speed on this issue?
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and the seller has to be pressent at the notery
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if you use the bill of sale from the state it has a place for the nortry to fill out
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Thanks for looking into this guys. I'll do some checking at the local DMV as well.
Yes, I know I should have gotten the title earlier, but since I had the HP over and inspected and issued me a NDID# and plate I thought I'd be OK till it was time to hit the road.
I still haven't heard from the email I sent the motor vehicle dept in Bsmrk.
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i walked in bill of sale and inspection in hand. then $37 dollars later i have a title in the mail
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so apparently its not an issue in fargo?
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i guess not. she said i could use my year of mgf plate(she didnt know if i could restore it) seem if the inspection is in order you good
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i guess not. she said i could use my year of mgf plate(she didnt know if i could restore it) seem if the inspection is in order you good
the plate can be restored, but must be approved by the director(motor vehicle)
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and the seller has to be pressent at the notery
What if the seller is dead? The previous owner of my '50 passed and I never did get a bill of sale or anything. Im confused, I figured I just get it inspected by the HP (when finished) and take the form to the DMV and get license, registration and title. So I assume you can get just the body inspected? Maybe I'm missing something. When we did the wife's Plymouth we told them that it was a gift from her grandpa (shhhhhhhh) and didn't have to come up with a bill of sale.
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I believe they accept either a bill of sale or a statement of ownership form.
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What if the seller is dead? The previous owner of my '50 passed and I never did get a bill of sale or anything. Im confused, I figured I just get it inspected by the HP (when finished) and take the form to the DMV and get license, registration and title. So I assume you can get just the body inspected? Maybe I'm missing something. When we did the wife's Plymouth we told them that it was a gift from her grandpa (shhhhhhhh) and didn't have to come up with a bill of sale.
Josh, Remind me about this at Watertown, will talk.
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I believe they accept either a bill of sale or a statement of ownership form.
What does a statement of ownership form contain? I don't have a bill of sale.
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it is sfn2903
here is the link to the mvd forms
http://www.dot.nd.gov/forms/formsbycategory.htm#titlereg
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statement of ownership form
http://www.dot.nd.gov/forms/sfn02903.pdf
bill of sale
http://www.dot.nd.gov/forms/sfn02888.pdf
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Thanks guys....We'll see how it goes.
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well i got the title yeasterday. only took 6 weeks. lists it as a 1930 ford pick up.
insted of model A it's listed as model and i think they put in the one ton curb wieght 4125lbs
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That thing will end up with a bed on it yet. :albino:
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That thing will end up with a bed on it yet. :albino:
I know of another one that will.
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That thing will end up with a bed on it yet. :albino:
I know of another one that will.
thats the plan for theT body i bought from weed