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Tech Q and A => Running Gear => Topic started by: Eyeball on December 04, 2006 6:40 pm
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Here is the info needed for running F100 brakes on early Ford spindles.
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And some additional info from the HAMB writen by Deuce Roadster
Lots of traditional rodders use the F100 brakes on early Ford spindles (1937 to 1948). Here's HOW I DO IT. I am sure there are other ways.
I use 1953 to 1956 F100 hubs, backing plates and drums. They have the advantage of self-energize......or they help apply themselves. They are 11 inches in diameter and 2 inches wide ( so early finned Buick aluminum drums...will not work they are 12 inches in diameter ).
The early Ford (37 to 48) hubs and the F100 (53 to 56) share the same outer wheel bearings and cups. Bearing # 09067 and cup # 09195 are the numbers. No adaptating needed here.
You need # 14116 inner bearing to adapt the F100 hub to the early Ford spindle . The inner bearing cup (# 14276) works..as is. I always replace them NEW to prevent problems. You will need Victor seal #49195.
Often times, a very small amout of grinding is required on the top of the spindle and the rear of the wheel cylinder where there is interferance on the 37 - 41 spindles. I have never had to grind a 42 to 48 spindle.
When parts hunting, I will buy 66 F100 brake shoes and hardware. They are self-adjusting. The earlier ones are not. 1953 to 1966 F100 brake drums interchange. I buy them new but good used is OK (but hard to find here in the Southland). I only use 53 to 56 backing plates. They are easy to come by (all the Mustang II changeover guys will give you the JUNK they do not want )
Some rodders say that they have had to slightly grind the inner wheel bearing so that it does not interfere fit with the spindle. This may be true.....but I have never had to do this. I use TimKen bearings ALWAYS......
Also....by the way......bearing and race numbers are standardized. The numbers I gave for the cups and bearings will interchange....TimKen, Koyo, NAPA, Bower/BCA......all will fit. Seals are not standardized......
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this is the setup i just did for my car. Grinding bearings and spindles is kinda silly and takes awhile, but the whole deal worked out slick in the end and on a college student budget. I'll wish i'd done an aluminum finned setup everytime i look at my car though.
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This is what i have on my T. You have to gring the inside bearing to fit the spindle, or when you goto Remove them they will never come off. The fillet on the Spindle is much bigger than the chamfer on the bearing and they will bind, and not fit correctly.
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my bearing was about a 1/16th of an inch from seating on the spindle, so I didn't even have the opportunity to screw it up! I don't have factory ford spindles though. Serious, did you update to the self-adjusting hardware from the '66? I'm going to step out and say that if i remember right the shoes are all the same, so i was thinking of buying the hardware kit to update.
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Yes mine are all Self Adjusting, Self Energizing... I will be swaping to 40 FOrd style though.making Wires fit these ubs/brakes is proving to be a problem. in a light car like this, i dont think that the huge brakes are nessacary...
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is it possible to get a pic of your brakes under the drum sometime? so i know what to look for when i buy the self-adjusting mechanisms. that'd be just swell of ya!